|Want to chat with Hillman car fans all over the
world? Want to find a rare part for an old Hillman? Enjoy a bit of good-natured
humour occasionally? Improve your Hillman? Want disk brakes on your Minx
series IIIB? Yes, the front end of a Minx series V can be fitted, but there are some
things to beware of. Got stuck while reassembling your Hillman, and need experienced
advice? Collectively, the guys in the HillmanCars discussion group have done
everything you can do to a car. Quite often, parts from "cousin" cars within the
Rootes Group (Sunbeams, Singers etc.) will fit your Hillman. The chances are that
somebody else has already tried what you're thinking of doing. Therefore, we don't
mind a bit of discussion about other marques (or anything else which happens to
fit). We also enjoy a comparative view of what the Rootes engineers made a bit
different all those years ago. However, for detailed discussion about those other
marques, you may get more detailed help from other discussion groups (see below).
How to subscribe to the HillmanCars group:
Subscribers receive copies of all distributed messages (as separate e-mail items), and are
able to post messages for automatic distribution. If you are content with the
simplicity of this, you don't need a Yahoo id and you don't
need to join a Yahoo Group. Subscribing and joining are not the
same thing. Leave joining for later (see "Extra Features" section
below), or not at all.
Send e-mail to HillmanCarsemail@example.com
. Don't worry about the Subject field and message text they're ignored. The
message server program will eventually add you (the sender's e-mail address) to its list
of subscribers. It will quickly send you a messsage titled "Please confirm your
request to join HillmanCars" you need to respond in one of the specified ways
to complete the subscription. To minimise the chances of spammers getting in, the group
moderator will then evaluate your request to subscribe. This might take several
hours (or even days), so please be patient. After approval is given, you will
receive a "Welcome to HillmanCars" message, and copies of messages from other
subscribers will start arriving.
When you want to post a new message:
Send e-mail to HillmanCars@yahoogroups.com
. Choose the Subject field thoughtfully. Don't leave it blank. In the body of your
message, don't forget to mention where you live especially if you are requesting
parts etc. Be aware that your fellow subscribers are all over the world
Australia, New Zealand, the Americas, Great Britain, Asia, Scandanavia, ....
you want to reply to someone else's message:
Simply click on "Reply to All" (if your e-mail program has that option).
At least one of the addresses in the "To" field will be "HillmanCars@yahoogroups.com"
(or a pseudonym for it) delete all of the others, because Majordomo will send the
message to them (as subscribers) anyway. Don't fiddle with the Subject field this
is important to everybody who wants to follow this discussion as a
"thread." If your e-mail program doesn't automatically propagate the
Subject field, please copy and paste it from the message you are replying to.
Be aware that some of us receive dozens of messages (from various sources) each day, so it
is an absolute necessity for us to sort the inbox by Subject. If your message is out
of sequence, it's effectively wasted. On the other hand, if your contribution is a
significant diversion from the original topic, please choose a new Subject field
thoughtfully e.g. Re: More Pertronix (was: Re: "Hillman - " Anyone out
Please understand that when you post a message, it's like standing on a stage and speaking
to a crowd of 200 people. Here's a website with the rules of Netiquette.
These core rules of decency are generally accepted by the vast majority of internet users
After you get to know a few of the prominent contributors, you'll understand that we're a
good-natured bunch of people who don't mind stirring each other up a bit. However,
for some reason I don't understand, the Kiwis (people from New Zealand) are sensitive to
Australians referring to their strange accent. (I'll probably get spammed for saying that
When you want to leave the group, here's how to unsubscribe :
It's your job to unsubscribe from the
HillmanCars discussion group when you no longer want messages other subscribers
aren't able to remove you, so please don't annoy them by asking.
Send e-mail to HillmanCarsfirstname.lastname@example.org
Don't worry about the Subject field and message text they're ignored. The
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If you can't get anything to work properly, and need human
intervention, you should be able to get assistance from HillmanCarsemail@example.com
Extra features of the HillmanCars group :
In order to access any extra features, you will need to join the Yahoo Groups
scheme. This is in addition to subscribing to the e-mail
distribution scheme as described above. (You can subscribe as a part of this
joining process, but it's more complicated to the first-timer).
Go to http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/HillmanCars and click on the
button near the top "Join This Group." After filling in the
required information, you will very soon receive a fancy e-mail from Yahoo saying
"Important! Click here to activate your new account." (Yes, you must do
that). Note: You can opt not to have a new e-mail address
@yahoo.com created during this process of joining.
Now that you've joined the Yahoo Groups scheme, you can at any time
go back to http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/HillmanCars
and click on "Sign in to Yahoo!"
After entering your Yahoo user-id and password, the next screen will present several
options, four of which are likely to be useful
- "Edit My Membership" has special e-mail
options, e.g. to receive a daily Digest instead.
- "View all Messages" gives an index to
individual messages in the archive. From there, "Expand Messages" gives the full
text of every message within that page. If you find the adverts to be overly aggressive, I
recommend the following technique:
- Use Netscape instead of Microsoft Internet
- Disable images (Netscape v7: Edit
> Preferences > Privacy & Security > Images)
- Disable Macromedia Flash Player by referring to this Macromedia web page and following the instructions to
"manually uninstall" (halfway down the page). Instead of deleting
the specified files, rename them by inserting "$" at the front of the name (so
you can put things back together if desired).
- "Photos" (in the left column).-- This doesn't
work unless your browser is set to accept images. You are doomed to receiving all of
the pesky adverts except the Flash ones.
- "Leave Group" to cleanup the special
settings established when you Joined this group.
Background to the HillmanCars group :
The group was created by Evan Hillman in April 2000, primarily for the purpose of gaining
attention to refer people to the already-successful firstname.lastname@example.org
discussion list hosted & sponsored by Gary Moore since 1997.
During the first week of November 2004, the can-inc.com server
ceased responding to any requests, so it was decided by the leading participants
(including Evan) to encourage all known subscribers to transfer to the HillmanCars group
We sincerely thank Gary Moore for his enormous and generous
contribution to the community of Hillman car fans.
Click here for a brief history of the
original Hillman List.
discussion groups & lists :
For info about the very active Hillman Imp
discussion group, visit groups.yahoo.com/group/Imps/
Subscribers to the Imp group, they have a separate off-topic discussion group
For info about another Hillman Imp
discussion group (much less active), visit groups.yahoo.com/group/hillman_imps/
For info about Hillman Hunters,
For info about post-war Hillmans, Singers,
Sunbeams & Humbers , visit groups.yahoo.com/group/hillman-sunbeam-singers/
For information about Commer Vehicles,
For info about Rootes, Simca, Matra, Chrysler
& Talbot, visit groups.yahoo.com/group/rootes-chrysler/
For information about British cars,
Not mentioned on that webpage, but also available at email@example.com are the lists named alpines and tigers. If you want
them in digest format (one consolidated e-mail every day), use the lists named alpines-digest and tigers-digest
For information about Humber, visit
Abbreviations and technical terms
||Australian De Luxe (Australian edition of
Hillman Minx series IIIC). For a fine example, see Brian
||(Sunbeam) Alpine modified to look like the
highly sought-after Tiger, and fraudulently sold as such.
||"Completely Knocked Down"
disassembled car kits, assembled in their destination country. Under govt. policy,
this local component of manufacture served to reduce the import duty.
||Dumb Previous Owner / Dreaded Previous
Owner. This is the idiot who made your car a restorer's nightmare by fitting
Whitworth nuts on SAE studs, and by welding on parts that need to be removed for routine
Convertible." Light-hearted reference to the Sunbeam Alpine (a sports
convertible) whose floorpan design was derived directly from that of the Hillman Husky.
||Little British Car, such as the Hillman
Minx or Hillman Imp.
||Lead Replacement Petrol. The various
oil companies mix their preferred substitute for tetra-ethyl lead with ULP. Some car
owners have experienced overheating, even to the point of serious engine damage. A
popular alternative is to simply fill up with ULP (or premium unleaded) and add a lead
substitute concentrate or Morey's Upper Cylinder Lubricant.
||New Old Stock (old spare parts which have
never been used).
||Positive Crankcase Ventilation.
Refer to http://www.aera.org/Techside/positivecrankcaseventilation.htm
||Unleaded Petrol. Since 1985, all
motor vehicles sold new in Australia are legally required to run correctly without the use
of tetra-ethyl lead.
||Australian term abbreviation for
Utility, a type of vehicle invented in 1933 by "Lew"
(Lewis) Bandt who was the designer at Ford Australia. In 1935 Henry Ford invited
him to Detroit, where Lew designed a "pickup truck" for the USA market
(especially Texas). Here are pictures of our Ken Kite's excellent Mk VIII Hillman ute.
||Valve Seat Recession. Refer to www.vtr.org/maintain/valve-seats.html
Off-topic abbreviations :
||Multi Purpose Vehicle
"anything large and shed-like" (according to one subscriber).
||Super High Output (engine).
||Sport Utility Vehicle (an American term
for a 4WD wagon, nothing to do with sports cars or utes).
||She Who Must Be Obeyed (wife or
equivalent person, with whom you negotiate the acquisition of more Hillman
cars, or use of the lounge room for an engine overhaul).
General internet abbreviations :
Technical terms :
|Sometimes you will see automotive
engineering terms used. For example, Hillman cars have what's called recirculating-ball
steering. You will find www.howstuffworks.com
to be very educational.
"Prince of Darkness"
modern description of Joseph Lucas, due to the ineffectiveness of 1930s Lucas lighting
systems, and the (alleged) poor performance of 1960s Lucas electrics in general.
Some loyalists claim that this is unfair criticism, as all 1960s electrical systems were
suspect. Click here to see the Prince
of Darkness jokes.
Parts suppliers :
|Some list subscribers occasionally mention
particular company names. You might find those suppliers in the Parts section of our